Why there’s no money in cloth nappies

By thenappylady1

I’ve pondered long and hard on whether to post on this subject. As a nappy retailer, it seems churlish to complain about work at home mums (WAHMs) who start internet shops selling cloth nappies in competition with us.

Seriously, I am pleased that the internet makes it possible to bring a specialist niche product like this to the mainstream. However, by the same token, it also prevents the market from growing properly, so that nappies stay a niche product until such time as they are taken up by the big retailers (who will then put us all out of business!).

The typical WAHM is a mum who used cloth nappies for her own child and believes in them as a Cause. She wants to bring them to the public at the best price possible, and is not motivated primarily by profit. Sometimes, I think such WAHMs believe us larger retailers to be sitting on our yachts in the Bahamas from our nappy profits (oh, I wish!). Anyway, such a mum transforms herself into a WAHM by setting up a website for a few pounds. It doesn’t matter to her whether she sells 10 nappies a week or 100, and whether she makes £10 profit or £100 profit. She’s doing it for the benefit of others, not for the money.

But in doing so, she undercuts all the larger nappy retailers, who – unlike her – have fixed costs like rent, staff salaries, commission to agents etc to pay. Yes, we get a larger margin on our goods than she does, because our volume is much higher. But the difference is not as much as you might imagine. A friend of mine with a background in retail on the high street is shocked by how small our typical margins are.

Our typical shopper is financially promiscuous by nature, because that is what the internet comparison sites have taught her. She will decide what she wants to buy. She will then load her basket at a number of different online retailers, to compare the different offers available, and will then proceed to order from the one which comes out the cheapest.

If this business were all about widgets, I’d have no problem with that. After all, the greatest efficiencies are rewarded, leading to business growth. 

But this is not about widgets. It is about a specialist market which relies heavily on giving good advice. That’s what www.thenappylady.co.uk does best, after all. I can’t tell you how heartbreaking it is for our advisors to put so much effort into giving advice, only for their advisee to save about £5 on a £250 purchase by going elsewhere. Her advisor receives no money if the advisee does not buy from us, because she earns her income based on commission.

So, our prices are constantly undercut, people buy elsewhere, and eventually we will be unable to provide the free advice service – we can only do that if we sell a certain volume of products. And this does not affect just The Nappy Lady, but every other cloth nappy seller in the market. 

Eventually, this forces the market back into tiny WAHM niches once more, as we all decide that in fact it is not possible to carry on making no money at all. At this moment in time, The Nappy Lady basically exists for philanthropic reasons, and every friend who is not a cloth nappy user is bemused as to why I still do it.

Well, of course, that’s because I too believe in it as a Cause, just like the WAHMs in competition with us. But at some point – and this may come sooner rather than later, given the current economic climate – I will have to say “enough.”

And the trouble is, the small WAHMs price so aggressively that they bring down the market price and so are unable to grow their micro business into a larger business like TNL, to take our place. So if we larger players go out of the market, that leaves a gap. And all those WAHMs who make lovely, individual nappies will also find they lose their market, as it is the mid range retailers that promote them. Back to a limited range of niche products.

At the other end of the scale, we have the players like Amazon putting pressure on as well, now that they are beginning to stock cloth nappies (yes, you’re just about to go and see what bargains you can pick up, now you know that, aren’t you?!). 

That’s all well and good, bringing cloth to the mainstream. Excellent. But we have been here before, with prefolds dominating the market – because it is all down to how good your marketing to the Big Boys is.

The net result is that only one or two brands make it into the mainstream, and one thing neither Amazon nor Mothercare are interested in is advice. They will happily beat the pants off us on price and on turnaround, but they won’t bother with the service we offer. When I first got into washable nappies, prefolds and Kushies dominated the market, and the waste of money for people who bought them and then had a horrendous time  with them, so reverting to disposables, was huge.

That’s not a situation I want to see happen again.

But it will, as fickle consumers will continue to use us (and other nappy retailers) for their advice, and then buy elsewhere to save a few pounds.

Eventually, the availability of unbiased and knowledgeable advice will simply dry up, as mothers move on from nappies and back into the world of paid work. Who can blame them, if they constantly do the work but don’t get paid for it? (Some mums seem to believe we are some sort of Nappy Offtel and even tell us proudly how they have saved a couple of quid by buying elsewhere – well thanks for that, ladies!).

I’m sorry if this all sounds like one big whinge. My point is that – as all of the midsize and larger retailers know – this is a very fragile market that could easily collapse under the pressure from both small and large sellers. Ultimately, the people who will suffer will be the parents who want the advice. All to save a few pounds.

And people like Money Saving Expert don’t help, trying to encourage people to write in for a sample of paper liners. Whilst I like a bargain as much as the next person, this kind of freebie-loading is having a terribly detrimental effect on our behaviour as consumers. I mean, seriously, what is the point in contacting us just so you can get 10 free individual liners? The point of the sample is to help you choose between different  liners, not simply to get you something for nothing.

Anyway, that’s why there will never be any money in cloth nappies, and I’m sorry to give such a gloomy prognostication. If you are thinking of buying cloth nappies, can I urge you to buy from the business which gave you advice, even if it costs a fiver or so more? It is only fair to the agent who is helping you, and in the context of a purchase of £250, it really isn’t much. If you honestly don’t think her advice is worth a fiver, well that’s your choice. But in our experience, our advisees rate their advisor’s help very highly indeed and would be horrified to realise she is not being paid if they don’t buy from us.

Now, I’ve got to dash – I have a meeting on my yacht in a few hours. ;)

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12 Responses to “Why there’s no money in cloth nappies”

  1. Jax Says:

    Well written Morag, and so very true. This is the sort of article that’s needs prominent space in those nice newspapers that boosted cloth nappy awareness not so very long ago. Most customers just don’t understand the bigger picture, and it’s such a shame, as they become the enemies of the future clothies instead of the friends who’ve helped it all to grow and become more ‘normal’.

  2. Morag Says:

    I my experience, you’re quite right that customers don’t see the bigger picture (it’s all that Me, Me, Me stuff they learn these days!) and are usually horrified to learn that them saving a few quid resulted in their advisor earning nothing.

    In fact, one of our own advisors, before she joined us, used to advise people to come to TNL for advice and then go back to her so she could point out where they could buy more cheaply … now she’s an advisor, she sees that issue somewhat differently, of course!!

  3. Morag Says:

    Now why do I have to moderate my own comment, when yours went through without moderation????!!!!!

  4. Miranda Says:

    Very well written article Morag!
    Can I add to your rant? You omitted to mention all the non-customers who email or phone for after care of product they’ve not bought from us. A further cost in time to us.

    The most regular non-customers are those that email to say that they have bought a birth to potty set of prefolds and fear they’ve wasted their money (which we can resolve with a Nappi Nippa and a set of folding instructions, net profit after allowing for the printing of the instructions, bag and postage and the bank’s credit card costs: nil)
    The other popular one is having trouble with xy product they’ve only had for 4 months leaking (that they definitely didn’t buy from you as you don’t stock it), so what should I get instead? Given the years of experience we can say ‘You’ve not actually mentioned your baby but I’d say (s)he’s probably about 6-7 months and around 20lb, it could be that whilst the wraps fit they are not a good fit, so that’s why they’re leaking’ They email back and say fab thanks I hadn’t thought it’d be the wraps outgrown so quickly – but do they click the link in your email and buy from you? Only half of them, the rest can get them for £5 on Amazon. Cost to Amazon for advice Nil.

    Once we’ve gone, I don’t think you’ll get the long term experienced help for nappy users – increasingly the parenting forum given advice comes from wonderful and enthusiastic nappy loving parents of babies totally different in age, shape and weeing ability to the ones asking for the advice, and naturally what is suggested won’t always work, so is it any wonder people loose interest in using cloth after a few months? It’s certainly true to say the cloth market has stagnated somewhat.

    Maybe we should start charging for advice, perhaps a fee refundable from the nappies they buy?

  5. thenappylady1 Says:

    Miranda, I am both depressed and heartened to see you feel the same frustration as we do!

    I can’t see how charging for advice would help, because it would just send people to the parenting forums more quickly, with all the random advice that comes from there. If we could work out a way to do it, I’d love to, so do share any great ideas for how it could work without turning off the consumer.

    Because, at the end of the day, it’s future consumers, not us, who will be the losers in all of this. :(

  6. Laura Says:

    Why oh why weren’t my Economics lecturers even half as clear as you!? I might have made it as a high flying business woman by now… har har.

    I don’t have an answer either, but it would be such a shame to see such a wealth of experience fizzle away to leave the “hottest new nappy” chat the only thing available to interested parents…

  7. Sandra Says:

    The biggest questions which I think all parents need to ask themselves are “Am I treating others the way I wish to be treated? and “If I’m not prepared to model ethical behaviour to my children from the beginning, then when exactly will I start?”

    I don’t think this problem is confined to cloth nappies. I feel for the older style specialist baby equipment shops who pay for large floor space and spend a lot of time advising expectant parents only for them to order the recommended and trialled-in-the-shop item from a cut price online shop.

    Yes it is true that this adds up to quite a bit of negativity. The reality is that nappy advisors offer a great deal of support and information freely and without negativity or grudge. This post brings to the fore the costs of that advice not being appreciated.

    Just as we have begun to look at fair trade issues over the last decade and before that the union movement looked to improve conditions for it’s workers in the domestic and international markets, we now need to look at the ethics of online shopping. It is a largely anonymous playground and I think many people find it easier to unthinkingly exploit online than when shopping locally.

  8. Fiona Says:

    I’d hate to see either of your very wonderful cloth nappy businesses go out of business, though it has always been fairly clear that you don’t work with very big margins (I think you have both written as much on threads on the cloth nappy forum I used to post a lot on).

    While I do shop around when it comes to buying new cloth, price has never been the only consideration, or rather the price of the individual nappy. I’m more likely to spend money at one paricular retailer if the overall cost including postage is good and if I can get everything I want at the one place (so I don’t pay multiple postal charges) which means that I do often use the slightly larger retailers as they have a better range. But service and reliability is also pretty important. This goes for other types of web purchase too – after losing money when two left feet went bust I would now spend a little more but buy from a retailer that will answer my phone calls, actually deliver and will provide good after sales service when issues arise. So long as the products are competitively priced I’d rather go with reliability.

    I don’t know if there is anything you can do about those that take free advice and then buy from others but I would assume it’s people new to cloth nappying as those of us with more long term addictions wouldn’t be looking to buy a complete set and are more likely to be buying something for reasons other than performance etc.

    Anyway, I don’t know if any of this helps. I really hope you don’t go out of business. I was saddened to see decent cloth nappy brands being discountinued at large retailers in favour of rubbish ones with great marketing campaigns (tots bots at babys’r'us for eg) and I would really love for cloth to be able to stop being a niche product.

    Good luck!

  9. vicki finn Says:

    I agree with what you have said – having worked in cloth nappies for 5 years both as an advisor, in training advisors, running baby show stands and now as my own company and a distribution company. As an advisor I have to say 99% of people bought from me – but I think I was in a minority!

    Sadly people getting advice then buying online has been happening for years – its nothing new. This has been talked over and over with Lollipop Advisors – who would have seen the NappyLady/Twinkle as doing exactly the same thing. But I have never been phased by it and I know people buy from me because they trust my advice – and I would expect people to do the same for whatever company – but sadly, people do want as cheap as possible at the moment and some conscience has been eroded by the recesssion.

    I try to keep my prices at RRP simply because it doesn’t erode my margin and then at appropriate times I can afford to do offers or have sales etc – but if my prices were constantly low, I can put my hand on my heart and say I would probably run at a loss.

    The way I see it is approx 10% of the population use cloth nappies – and there are hundreds of cloth nappy shops/wahms/websites all in competition for this tiny niche in the population. The plain fact is there simply aren’t enough customers for everyone to run a successful business – and the ones with less experience, who don’t offer advice etc – who may have lower prices, will in my prediction, be the ones who fail.

    I know other big companies who feel excatly the same as you do and wonder why on earth they do it – not great inspiration for the new ones or little companies at all.

    I think lots of people think the manufacturers make loads of money – like totsbots, Lollipop etc – they don’t – even Mr BM must be twitching his toes atm. Yet if you look on CNT – the wahms are booming – not mainstream market but sales within the existing nappy community from what I can tell.

    Potential users – parents to be – nurseries – hospitals – I see the need for educating people – which I do through the nappy network – but when push comes to shove, you need to sell something to survive!

  10. vicki finn Says:

    Re charging – I have considered a £25 charge refundable against orders!! Would happen in any other consultancy business.

  11. thenappylady1 Says:

    Vicki, I know that a refundable consultancy charge would be perfectly acceptable in most businesses, but I think you know as well as I would, it just wouldn’t happen here. If I charged this, and Miranda or you didn’t, they would come to you and not us, because we’d put an obstacle in the way.

    I mean, even when the advice is free, there are people who ask for it and by the time you talk to them a day or two later, they have already rushed off and bought some “amazing deal” somewhere. Some people just won’t be helped. :(

  12. vicki finn Says:

    It was meant tongue in cheek lol!! No-one would come esp out to my little village – they would all go to Rayne’s shop in Corsham!

    I know what you mean totally. I get people who haven’t bought from me asking advice and I always help and even then but not very often they go somewhere else!

    What it comes down to with selling nappies is whether you see it as a business or hobby. I see it as a business – but I know even though I sell alot that I will need to rely on my distributorship business which I am busy building or teaching to actually make money.

    I don’t think this is made clear to people/advisors that this business is hard work for little gain! or that you have to be good at what you do to make money.

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